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Bonus: Christmas Special

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Join us for this week's festive special where we bring out the holiday cheer and a dash of nostalgia! 

Who knew Christmas pudding could spark such lively debate? We kick things off this week chatting about our favourite festive foods, before turning to the whirlwind of holiday traditions that make this season magical. We touch on what it's like celebrating Christmas within Indian (and Greek) households, where Gulab Jamun takes centre stage instead of roast dinners! On the topic of unconventional Christmas dishes we also touch on the desirability of roast Goose, Duck, and even the quirky Turducken!  

And what would a Christmas special be without a nod to our favourite holiday movies and traditions? A playful discussion about non-Christmas films, unexpected holiday favourites, and even a cheeky spoiler about the new movie "Mufasa" rounds out our cinematic journey.

Through humour and a sprinkle of our personal childhood stories, we reflect on the true essence of Christmas—cherishing family, friends, and the joyful chaos that makes the season truly special! 

We would also like to take this opportunity to THANK YOU for all your support so far, and we promise more exciting content in the New Year, so please stay tuned for more of The Best Men Podcast in 2025!

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Michael:

Feliz Navidad, feliz Navidad, feliz Navidad, romero, my boy, felicidad. I want to wish you a Merry Christmas, merry Christmas.

Sameer:

Merry Christmas.

Michael:

Welcome to the Best Men Podcast Christmas Special.

Sameer:

Welcome, everyone welcome and happy holidays.

Michael:

Oh, a very Christmas-some here. This is the best time of the year apart from Diwali. Ah, I'm not sure about that You're in my festive boudoir today. I am, it's looking very Christmassy indeed and we came off the back of a festive meet-up the other day we did.

Sameer:

We did. It was great seeing everyone. We had crackers.

Michael:

We had jingle balls as well. We had Santa's sack. Secret Santa Loved it. We had Santa's sack, santa's sack, what do you? Call it Santa's sack. Yeah, you know what we didn't have.

Sameer:

Christmas pudding. I hate Christmas pudding. Do you like Christmas pudding? I do, yeah, isn't that what you feed it? Alcohol, like one shot for the Christmas pudding, one shot for the person pouring the Christmas pudding, I don't know, brother.

Michael:

Yeah, I think you do. No, no, no.

Sameer:

I'm pretty sure.

Michael:

You're thinking of Christmas cake.

Sameer:

You feed the cake brandy you know what?

Michael:

I learned how to do that the other day what do you mean? Light stuff with brandy yeah, do you know how to do it?

Sameer:

go on, tell me, don't you just?

Michael:

douse it and then just put a flame on it. No, that's how you call. That's awesome. You're confusing arson with lighting the crisp pudding you heat up. Use a metal ladle okay, you use a flame, you heat up the metal ladle, yeah, and then you heat the brandy up, and so it's hot brandy and then, just at the point, it will catch a fluff fire and then you pour it over, so you basically have like a lip pouring.

Sameer:

Oh, so why have you just picked this up?

Michael:

I wanted to know how to do it.

Sameer:

Are you going to do it this year? I have done it in the past.

Michael:

Yeah, oh, okay, fine, Good good, it's quite nice because it gives it a little bit of a juice but also a little bit crispy. But sometimes it gets burnt. What?

Sameer:

is a better Christmas pudding than Christmas pudding Milkshake.

Michael:

I'm not getting into this, not for the special.

Sameer:

I'm calling it.

Michael:

I'm calling it a stop right there, okay, what's a better pudding than Christmas pudding?

Sameer:

Yeah, yeah yeah, what's a better dessert for Christmas than Christmas pudding?

Michael:

Yeah, Lemon meringue, of course. Lemon meringue, italian lemon meringue, italian lemon meringue For those who are keen listeners of the pod. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sameer:

Crispy Peaks, crispy Peaks Sticky Toffee for me.

Michael:

You know what?

Sameer:

Any day of the week you had a Sticky Toffee at the party, didn't you?

Michael:

I did, I did.

Sameer:

It wasn't. I'll be honest, it wasn't all that.

Michael:

But I do think the best sticky tough pudding I've ever had was from Dalesford Farm Shop. Okay, Honestly one of the most delicious sticky toffees I've had.

Sameer:

What made it so?

Michael:

delicious Dates.

Sameer:

Yeah. Dates really give that shit a good vibe For anyone listening dates. Really give that shit a good vibe.

Michael:

Okay, here's a question for you. When you were growing up as a boy, as a young indian boy, what was christmas like for you in an indian household?

Sameer:

uh, mainly the same as every other day of the year, but with gulab jamun it was pretty normal, like even now with dad. He just will not partake in any christmas festivities. No turkey, uh, no christmas crackers, no christmas tree. He's basically the indian grinch but he likes chinese food.

Michael:

He loves christmas. He doesn't have chinese food. No, we have speaking duck on christmas day.

Sameer:

I think he hates, uh, just a roast. I think he hates a roast. But what was?

Michael:

but you used to have a christmas tree, didn't?

Sameer:

you. No, we had a christmas tree, but we didn't really have christmas presents like we'd. Most of the time we'd go away somewhere yeah as, as you know, I didn't go in the summer, so I used to go away later in the year, so we used to like we did christmas loads in like america where it's like blazingly hot uh but then they love christmas over there, so that must have been weird, it's not the same, is it?

Sameer:

it's not like if you're in like florida, okay right, and you've got like tropical weather. It's not really christmas all right.

Michael:

So what happened, was it when you had your nephews, that then you had?

Sameer:

like a christmas. Yeah, because we'd go around to theirs and they'd they'd want to do christmas a bit more, or my nieces or whatever, or my sisters at that point, but like if it was a dad's home, he'd literally just get a butter chicken and put the tv on. That's not bad christmas, it's pretty good christmas actually.

Michael:

Funnily, you must have had the young man I went away with to canada for work. He's a family tradition. One year he said that they did like a christmas dinner and they're like son, this ain't happening.

Sameer:

We're not doing this again so his tradition is they go to indian restaurant on christmas day really and they love it and it sounds great that is a I'd love to do that. Tell me so. Your dad is a trend, he's a I'd love to do that?

Michael:

Tell me this so your dad is a trend setter. He's a trend setter.

Sameer:

Number one listener trend setter. Would you be open to going out for Christmas versus having it at your place or at family's home?

Michael:

So in the last five years, I've probably had the most varied Christmases ever. I've had the COVID Christmas of 2020. Yeah, I've had the COVID Christmas of 2021. Yeah, so I've had it on my own and as we know you don't like doing things on your own. I don't. I have been to Scotland once and had Christmas dinner outside of Christmas Day.

Sameer:

What do you mean outside of Christmas Day? I'm sorry I've had.

Michael:

Christmas Day outside of the normal. Oh, okay, Fine, fine. I thought well, what?

Sameer:

did you do? In June I went to Scotland Bonds in the summer and I celebrated. Christmas. It was different. I wouldn't do it again. Would you go to a restaurant as opposed to having it at home? I've been to a restaurant on Christmas day and what did you think?

Michael:

It was not like having it at home Overrated, isn't it? Yeah?

Sameer:

Overrated See recently I've done it a couple times and eating and eating at like a Christmas dinner in a restaurant. I find it's just it's not the same vibe.

Michael:

I'm not.

Sameer:

I'm not on that trend no, no, no, but the whole Indian restaurant.

Michael:

I might do that one year to be fair though I like the idea of the Indian restaurant because that's so like it's not Christmas that I like it you know what, if I had an Indian restaurant, I'd try and theme that day as an Indian Christmas. Oh yeah, so I'd have like a butter chicken turkey. Butter turkey or butter turkey, not chicken turkey. What's the bird in a bird in a bird? I don't know, pheasant Chicken.

Sameer:

I love the fact that I've asked you something that you literally have to. No, I had it. My mum did it once one year. Oh my God, and it was terrible. It was bad. None of us enjoyed it. It was bad.

Michael:

It was weird, it was like a I think it's too gluttonous. It's like a peasant. It's like a peasant. It's a peasant that serves a pheasant, it's like I think it's called Hadouken Turkey duck chicken.

Sameer:

Hadouken, I'll be honest with you. For me that is way too gluttonous. Who needs three birds? One's?

Michael:

enough. I love talking about Christmas with people because it really sets apart the status, the social statuses massively. Really, you know, when someone's like, oh yeah, we have goose, you know okay okay is that because you've just bought the presents from liberty? Yeah, and suffrages.

Sameer:

I'm sorry, I don't like swearing on the pod. Who the hell I was gonna say fuck? Who the hell has goose loads?

Michael:

of uh who? Who do you know? The sort of people that Greg Wallace doesn't like Middle?

Sameer:

class. Middle class women. Middle class white women, middle class women. You're a knight of a goose. Well, the thing is.

Michael:

Goose fat potatoes.

Sameer:

Fine, good, I like that. Or duck fat. Duck fat potatoes is also good.

Michael:

But then some people have duck my I think my father-in-law Used to have duck.

Sameer:

I would. I'll be honest with you. I would love to have a Peking duck for Christmas. I think I'm on that jam. I don't know anyone who has goose. Do you literally know anyone that I know? I don't think I've had a goose. I don't think I've ever eaten a goose. I don't think I've eaten a goose before.

Michael:

I don't think I have.

Sameer:

I've never had turdurken either.

Michael:

I don't even know what goose tastes like, it tastes gamey. I mean, that's my go to when there's an animal. When you don't know what someone tastes like, it's gamey, it's gamey, it's not nice, it can't be that different, it's a bit harder than chicken.

Sameer:

It can't be that different from turkey and goose if people are eating it is it dark meat or white meat? That's what I want to know.

Michael:

I'm always dark meat. I love dark.

Sameer:

Why?

Michael:

Because it's drier, because it's drier Do you know why the white meat is drier, why the breasts are often drier in the chicken. Because there's no bone. No Good point. You could have bullshitted me if I didn't know the answer. Good try.

Sameer:

I love that you were just looking at me, thinking this guy knows what he's talking about, damn, doesn't he? He's come up with something that could actually be true this is a Christmas miracle.

Michael:

Sameer knows more about food than me.

Sameer:

Go on tell me, why is the breast so dry?

Michael:

So on my first On the pre-episodes. When we were recording About the butchery course, I went on oh yeah, the breasts of the chicken.

Sameer:

Yeah.

Michael:

Often dry out.

Sameer:

Yeah For.

Michael:

The simple fact that they're higher up Right.

Sameer:

And they get cooked At a slightly hotter temperature. Okay, so what happens If?

Michael:

Then they dry out as well.

Sameer:

What happens if the chicken or the turkey has got saggy breasts? Does that go? Does that go lower? Then If the breasts are saggy On a turkey. Does it mean juicy?

Michael:

Juicy and saggy. The best way I found To cook a chicken Is to turn it upside down, oh okay. Or spatchcock it and saggy the best way I found to cook a chicken is to turn it upside down.

Sameer:

Oh, okay, so all the juices or spatchcock it.

Michael:

No, I don't like spatchcocking.

Sameer:

I bet you do no no.

Michael:

Upside down. All the juice runs on the breasts.

Sameer:

All right Now can I tell you something that I saw on MasterChef? Is it to do with Greg Wallace? With John Turow the good one? Yeah, he always said season ice cubes. Have you heard this? I have heard this yeah, With salt and pepper, shove it into the cavity of the turkey.

Michael:

That's a great suggestion.

Sameer:

And when you put it into the oven, it efferfuses all the way through, so it keeps it moist and you season it Because you season from within, not from without.

Michael:

Advice Perfect, john T, we like you.

Sameer:

Yes, we like you. You're the good, master chef, you're the good one.

Michael:

I never actually used to like John T Because of his accent. No, he was a bit of a sniveling prick for a long time.

Sameer:

Oh, my God, jesus, yeah, say what you really think, but then I always find him arrogant, like he didn't know it all. Agreed, but I always find him arrogant Like you know it all.

Michael:

Agreed, but his heart, like the Grinch was softened by love.

Sameer:

Yes, but softened by his hate for Greg Wallace.

Michael:

Well, because of his love, of his life.

Sameer:

Yeah.

Michael:

Lisa Snowden.

Sameer:

Are you just saying words to me? Now, what's Lisa's? There is a Lisa Snowden in the world. Is that his wife, lisa Snowden? No, there's another one, lisa Ford. I don't know who it is, but she's an actress Her name is Lisa Okay Right.

Michael:

All of a sudden he met Lisa oh and he became a kind of person and he became so lovely.

Sameer:

Yeah, yeah.

Michael:

He was so heartfelt, he'd do shows with her, he'd do cooking with her. Anyway, back to our Christmas special.

Sameer:

Yes, back to Christmas. So Indian Christmas, Indian Christmas we didn't do much. We just basically treated it like any other day. But I imagine in your household it was what Epic.

Michael:

Christmas was big.

Sameer:

Christmas was always big.

Michael:

We always start off with, you know, a mini argument in the morning, a little starter argument, followed by the main big argument. And we end with a little kind of aperitif.

Sameer:

Yeah, digestive, digestive, it's the whole season.

Michael:

You've got that wrong. Every time it's the digestive argument that I forget about. Okay, I love Christmas. I think Christmas is a great time. I love the build up.

Sameer:

Best holiday for you.

Michael:

Right.

Sameer:

Hanukkah Diwali Is Christmas a best time. I love the build-up. Best holiday for you, right um hanukkah divali holiday, thanksgiving halloween. What's your favorite?

Michael:

holiday.

Sameer:

I quite like easter oh, but east is big up, like the greeks, right, like that's the most, that's you know I think um.

Michael:

I like easter for other reasons and we'll do that next year. We'll do our easter special, fine, fine.

Sameer:

Okay, go on.

Michael:

Back to Christmas. I like the build-up to Christmas more than anything else. Okay, 12 days, no 12 months.

Sameer:

Okay, what about the build-up? Do you love?

Michael:

I just love the crescendo towards this magical moment of big arguments. So you look forward to them. Oh yeah, I get my game face on. Oh, okay, fine, it's going on, it's going down. Why?

Sameer:

is it that always, unlike festivities, there's always a big bust up Holidays?

Michael:

Yeah, special occasions. It's human nature when there's pressure and a deadline looming Put it to Durkin. I need to get these three birds cooked, damn it.

Sameer:

The thing is, you have this build up, you have this pressure and all of a sudden you're like oh, it's coming, it's coming, oh, it's gonna be christmas day, oh, and then it's gonna be the christmas day meal, and then yeah, yeah maybe there's too much expectation explosion about the today there's also this thing about too many cooks in the kitchen, I think I think if you're going around to someone's, or especially if it's family, yeah and you want to give in your like bit of advice, for example, I don't think it's ever welcome on christmas advice.

Michael:

Monster is in full rome he loves christmas day. The advice monster no, but I love the build-up because everyone starts to get into a certain mood a little bit of us fuck it's. You know we're not working anymore. We've been laid off, we've been made redundant. That is sad, you know. I've actually experienced layoffs during Christmas.

Sameer:

Why are you making it so serious?

Michael:

This is meant to be a joyous occasion. No, I like the build-up. Everyone's kind of joyous, and you know what?

Sameer:

Most people tend to get, unless you're in retail and I have done that once and it was sad. But yeah, most people tend to get that time off. And what is what's your favorite number one thing? Number one thing about christmas traditions okay, I like it, I love the tradition okay I.

Michael:

I think, as I've got older, I really need rigidity okay, fine, you need order.

Sameer:

It's because of your ocd. Well, maybe, maybe. Which traditions are you referring to?

Michael:

I love the Christmas Eve tradition of going to the cinema. I didn't know this about you. Yeah, I really enjoy going to the cinema on Christmas Eve. I didn't know this, yeah.

Sameer:

Do you know I think it's Gino De Campo perhaps has a Christmas Eve tradition where he has a big fish supper.

Michael:

Yeah, Italians do Christmas Eve big time, yeah yeah, I didn't know this.

Sameer:

Where did this come from?

Michael:

I think it dates back to my sister.

Sameer:

Okay.

Michael:

Or my brother and sister or whoever, and I think it was like my parents would be like all getting all stressed and cleaning the house and getting it ready for people to come around, yeah, and we just want to get out of the house. I like it. And then it was also like the, the waiting and expectation, christmas day's coming. Christmas is coming and we would go to the cinema yeah, yeah like a nice way to kill a few hours for christmas day that is, and then you go home.

Sameer:

That is a great, and do you still do that? Yeah, yes, with your family now.

Michael:

Last year I took the two kids On their own While Alex got the house ready.

Sameer:

Yeah, okay, I like that, that's sweet.

Michael:

This year we're gonna go and see Mufasa. Have you heard about this? I have heard about this. How Unbelievable, what a genius Storyline it is.

Sameer:

Should we spoil it? Spoiler alert. Right, we're gonna give you the chance To skip the next 10 seconds. Right, Michael? What goes on in Mufasa?

Michael:

Mufasa was adopted and was not the rightful heir to the throne. Scar was, scar was always.

Sameer:

No wonder he's a fucking aggy. I know no wonder he wanted to get rid of Mufasa.

Michael:

I know I need to watch it. I need to watch it and find out. I tell you what I'm really Okay so you're going to watch.

Sameer:

And then on Christmas Day, so that's the first tradition. Do you want to hear more traditions? Please please, please. Yeah, I didn't know there was more.

Michael:

Oh yeah, this is the thing, this is what I love you can make your own tradition.

Sameer:

Yeah.

Michael:

You don't need to have All the people around you. But a chicken for example, I mean, but a chicken.

Sameer:

Is a great tradition. Yeah, yeah yeah, never eat a roast On Christmas Day, never eat shredded wheat Tradition number two yeah, scotch eggs what do?

Michael:

you mean this is what I love most about the pod your face when I say things, because I don't ever know what you're going to say.

Sameer:

What do you mean?

Michael:

I have a tradition that every year only once a year I will make scotch eggs on either Christmas Eve or Christmas Day.

Sameer:

Okay.

Michael:

From scratch. They will be Running in the middle Two minutes and 20 seconds that they have been cooked for, and they will be quail's eggs, not chicken's eggs. Oh, look at you Does it go with a goose.

Sameer:

Look at you. Look what you've become, they will be quail's eggs.

Michael:

And I will only cook a maximum number of 20 do you know why?

Sameer:

because 20 is already too many. Are they big ones?

Michael:

or are they small quails eggs are?

Sameer:

small, oh no, but you could have a lot of meat around them. No, no, no, it wouldn't work. What meat do you use?

Michael:

pork yes, okay, yeah, fun good anyway, and, and I can, fun Good Anyway and I can tell you now those who are lucky enough To have one of those 20 eggs Surely you should do this During. Easter no.

Sameer:

You know I'm right.

Michael:

No, I know you're right, it makes more sense Eggs at Easter, or blah, blah blah.

Sameer:

Yeah.

Michael:

But there's only a few people Who've ever had one Hot From the fryer. Okay, with a crisp Panko bread outing delicious, just delicious, just one of the best.

Sameer:

Is this your audition for masterchef? No, no, no, I just love it. I just absolutely love it. I bet I mean I'll be honest with you I want one of those bad boys in my mouth. Well, I want two in my mouth. I want two of your scotch eggs in my mouth, if you would like to come on christmas eve. You can have one I don't know if you won't be here.

Michael:

You'll be the bloody cinema. No, no, go in the daytime. I do, I do, look, I like that, I like that, I like that little bit of party. Christmas is quite nice okay, fine, our friend, our friend marco. Yes, his tradition, or what we used to be midnight mass, christmas eve christmas absolutely blathered, wow, absolutely. A lot of people like getting drunk on christmas eve Christmas, you know, absolutely bladdered Wow.

Sameer:

A lot of people like getting drunk on Christmas Eve, presumably, he goes to midnight mass and then afterwards gets bladdered. What he's getting tanked up in church, no, before church, oh before church. Okay, I thought he was just drinking loads of Holy Communion. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Michael:

It always would be Always be. Italians drink a lot Of Christmas. I'll be honest with you.

Sameer:

These make Christmas More appealing to me.

Michael:

Oh right.

Sameer:

The cinema, the eggs in my mouth Straight from the fryer and getting bladdered On.

Michael:

Christmas Eve. These are great, great traditions. My brother used to get Drunk on Christmas Eve.

Sameer:

Which would really annoy me, why? Which would really?

Michael:

annoy me Because I'd be like he's 10 years older than me, so for me I'll be there 8 years old. Ooh, santa's come and he'd be out there a bit hungover like oh, shush, just be quiet. He'd be like no, 6.30, go to sleep. Oh, but I want to go to sleep what do you have Christmas right?

Sameer:

so you've said your other Christmas day, christmas Eve.

Michael:

Sometimes I used to do them Christmas Day, but with children it's very, very hard to do them Christmas Day, so I tend to do them Christmas Eve now Right.

Sameer:

So give me, have you got more traditions, more Christmas Day traditions, or are they pretty much it Christmas?

Michael:

tradition Alex will always bake shortbread. Have you ever had her shortbread?

Sameer:

I don't think I have had a shortbread.

Michael:

They are ones we ate today oh, a thousand time, better thousand thousand percent. We used to do a tradition. We still do it to an extent only a few people, because it's very difficult. We used to go around as many houses on christmas eve as possible delivering shortbread. We used to do sometimes did 20 houses so how much shortbread is she making then? Loads like wow, insane amount. Poor hollywood's recipe for anyone who's out there. Shout out to our sponsor hollywood.

Sameer:

Uh, I like this, this is good yeah right. So you've got quite a few and um, who's coming around for christmas? All the family coming around yours or what's?

Michael:

gonna. I don't have the space, but I think this year we'll go to. I think we'll go to one of my sisters. Okay, fine, good, yeah, the tradition um christmas breakfast as fine.

Sameer:

I'm surprised that there's enough space to house Christmas lunch, christmas dinner and then also a Christmas breakfast. Isn't there enough food In my stomach?

Michael:

Yeah, oh, there's always space son.

Sameer:

How can you cram all this in? You've got too many eggs in there.

Michael:

Too many eggs in one basket. Yeah, I love it. I love all of this stuff.

Sameer:

I love the the tv this year my are, have you heard?

Michael:

well, maybe you don't care um go on the gavin and stacy finale oh okay, wait doris I love that shit I maybe I'll re-watch it before.

Sameer:

Uh, before, okay, tell, tell me what are your go-to Christmas movies to watch, either in the lead-up to or on the day on Christmas Day.

Michael:

What do you have to watch? Have to watch. I was going to say Kindergarten Cop, not Kindergarten Cop. Jingle All the Way. Love a bit of Arnie.

Sameer:

It's not really a Christmas film, but I like watching it at christmas and I'm not gonna say die hard because that is a christmas movie, yeah, yeah but I like die hard but the one that's not a christmas film but I love watching at christmas.

Michael:

Go on the rock, which nick cage and sean canary seen canary.

Sameer:

Uh, that's because you love nick cage, so you probably just want to get in any old nick Cage movie.

Michael:

So it was around 97 when we had. My mum and dad were very busy at Christmas. They were working. My sister was looking after me. I was about eight or nine years old. We were allowed to watch Sky TV for as much as we wanted.

Sameer:

Oh okay, Rishi Sunak. Oh, somebody had Sky, Somebody was doing better than Rishi.

Michael:

It was the UK premiere on Sky TV of. It was like Sean Connery, Nick Cage month and I watched the Rock for the first time.

Sameer:

When you were eight.

Michael:

Yeah, it was brilliant, no, I was probably 11. Okay, no, how old?

Sameer:

Nine, nine, sorry nine, okay, 97, I'd be nine, and since then you've just been a big big fan of Nick Cage.

Michael:

I just love that film at Christmas. There's something about it.

Sameer:

Why at Christmas? Is it anything to do with?

Michael:

Christmas I watched it once at.

Sameer:

Christmas when it came out. Oh fine, fine, so for you it's a Christmas movie and I was like oh, here we go, Nick Cage.

Michael:

So it would be Con. It would be. Then next year was like Nick Cage month, nick.

Sameer:

Cage month.

Michael:

Yeah, so it'd be. Con Air the Rock Face Off Snake Eyes. So, any of those films I'm like okay, we're going for this one.

Sameer:

They're all very, very good. I mean, mine are pretty classic ones like Home Alone, die Hard, love those Elf or have to watch Elf, like for me, non-negotiable Elf has got to go on the Holiday. Got to go on the holiday, definitely. How have you not mentioned the holiday? Have you seen the holiday?

Michael:

yeah, holiday is brilliant um, it's a bit sad, don't you think?

Sameer:

oh yeah, but I like it it's. This is a classic, it's a classic.

Michael:

I feel so sad for jack harry potter.

Sameer:

Harry potter I will definitely put on a harry potter movie at some point in the christmas holidays.

Michael:

You know these, these are given, these are always on yeah, yeah, I, I'm trying to think of. But top for me.

Sameer:

Polar Express.

Michael:

I've never seen Polar Express. I've never seen it either. I just said it, panda Express I want to watch Polar Express.

Sameer:

I've never got through it. I've always started it. Something's happened. And then Do you know what film?

Michael:

I cannot watch. I've tried five times, cannot watch it.

Sameer:

I have no idea, june, why it's a great movie.

Michael:

I can't get into that film.

Sameer:

I'll be honest with you, though With kids you've got to carve out a good three hours of silence to watch it.

Michael:

I was on the aeroplane back from Canada. I couldn't get past the first half an hour. I keep why Too?

Sameer:

boring. Yeah, you've got a power on. It's Great.

Michael:

Oh, I can't do it, I can't do it, and I've seen the second.

Sameer:

Dune as well. Oh, mate, Dune 2. They're great movies. They're really really good. Is it worth it?

Michael:

Definitely.

Sameer:

Definitely. What if I?

Michael:

go six times. What does that mean? If I watch it for six times and still can't get through it, then what? Then? It says more about you than the movie this.

Sameer:

Oh yeah, exactly. Have you seen the Penguin yet, by the way?

Michael:

No.

Sameer:

I don't have. You have got to watch it. It's nothing to do with Christmas, just honestly, I would say it's probably the best show that I've seen since Breaking Bad.

Michael:

Oh wow, that says a lot.

Sameer:

Yeah, and the ratings on IMDb not much less than Breaking Bad.

Michael:

Do you know, pivoting nicely, my daughter was writing her Christmas cards to her class today. Yeah, now she's only just learned how to write, okay, and she's trying to put their words together, and she didn't quite understand the purpose of Christmas cards. I don't think, okay. So she wrote into her Christmas card to one of the boys in the class Dear Noah, merry Christmas, you are very naughty and you are very angry From Mila, wow.

Sameer:

I think she's going to become a therapist when she grows up.

Michael:

We don't need to talk about someone's flaws in their Christmas card. What we do is we talk about nice things have a good Christmas. Peace on earth.

Sameer:

That's so good you are naughty and angry.

Michael:

That is brilliant. I can imagine his mum opening this card.

Sameer:

Noah is going to get a shock. He's going to have to pull up his socks next year.

Michael:

Anyway, christmas is the time of year where we like to spend time with our friends, our families. We make even more of an effort, exactly why don't?

Sameer:

we do that all year round, good point. Good point, probably because you don't want to have perpetual arguments every day, you don't want to get on everyone's wrong side all day. Every day, do you have?

Michael:

any memories of someone you've only ever seen at Christmas.

Sameer:

Santa Claus. Yeah, fair enough Good one who do I only ever see at christmas no because we don't. We don't celebrate christmas, so for me, like literally, it's the same old another day who do you only see at christmas?

Michael:

uh, mom and dad, I don't know I I don't have that sort of family dynamic where john's come down from brighton yeah, yeah, it's never been that sort of thing this year who you spending Christmas with?

Sameer:

uh, this year I'm spending Christmas with my wife and her family, so that should be good um.

Michael:

So with that Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas one and all.

Sameer:

wherever you are in the world, have a wonderful day, a very restful holiday season and, yeah, from the best men to your families, have a lovely time.

Michael:

Very Merry Christmas. Peace to you and to your friends and family. Thank you so much for listening to us for the last few episodes. We will take a short break as we go into the new year. There will be season two.

Sameer:

Is that right, Sameer? There definitely will be a season two, to be continued TBC.

Michael:

To become one and, as I said, just a big thank you for following us on our journey so far. We look forward to you clicking that like, follow and subscribe button. You can follow us. You can message us Welcome, suzy, at gmailcom. And next season we will be mixing things up, so more to follow next year. Have a very merry christmas and a happy new year and remember, when life gets you down, be the best. It's the most wonderful time of the year it's the happiest season of all.