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Episode 10: Season Finale (Bad Advice)

• Michael and Sameer • Season 1 • Episode 10

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Has your best friend ever tried to convince you to get baptised at the age of 29, just so that you could be his best man?! We kick off our season finale with a hilarious throwback to when Michael asked Sameer to be his best man!

Join us as we look back at the wild, unpredictable journey that has become The Best Men Podcast. This week we explore the social intricacies within Indian and Greek communities, entertain the thought of replacing each other with a better guest host, and blend our humour with heartfelt gratitude as we reminisce about season one!

Given this week's theme is bad advice, we take a look at navigating the murky waters of public controversies with a deep dive into Gregg Wallace's recent PR nightmare. His alleged inappropriate behaviour towards women has sparked outrage, and we critically examine the impact of his actions and the questionable sincerity of his apologies. Unfiltered social media posts, bad advice and his apparent lack of PR guidance paint a picture of power unchecked, drawing parallels to other public figures who have similarly stumbled. 

As we wrap up our first season, we look back at some of the worst advice we've been given and the quirkiest life lessons we've learned! We also reflect on what a wild ride making season one has been, and some of the best things we've taken away from The Best Men Podcast (so far!)

But most importantly, we express our thanks to you, our loyal listeners, for the laughter and support, and we promise more exciting content in the specials and upcoming seasons. Stay connected, keep striving for greatness, and remember, when life gets you down, be the BEST!

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Michael:

Welcome to this week's episode of the Best Men Podcast. I'm Michael and I'm Sameer, and if you found us, it means you're looking forward to sitting back and enjoying 30 minutes of two best friends taking the piss out of each other, debating life's big questions whilst ultimately learning how to become better men.

Sameer:

So sit back and enjoy this week's episode.

Michael:

Yo, yo yo, welcome to the pod pod pod, hello brother. Oh, Sameer, very good to see you, sir, how are you doing? I'm very well. Thanks, how are you? I'm very good.

Sameer:

We saw each other yesterday, which is unusual for a pod I know. Twice in 48 hours is too much for me.

Michael:

Have you seen that film 48 hours later? I don't think I have seen 48 hours later, it's about zombies and things, isn't it?

Sameer:

Ah, I'm surprised, because you don't like horror movies.

Michael:

I don't know if that's the storyline or not that's a great start isn't it.

Sameer:

How did you find our get together yesterday? Yeah, good, nice to meet, nice to our friends it was. It was we hadn't seen them in a very long time. Biggest cohort of listeners in one room it was a fan event, I think.

Michael:

When you say biggest cohort, it was all our listeners only cohort it was all of our listeners in one room if you're listening out there and you would like to have an audience with Michael and Sameer from the Best man Podcast, please I don't know what email Email us seeing as we've never plugged the email in about six weeks.

Sameer:

What's the email? Sameer, WelcomeSuzie@ gmail. com and Suzie is with a Z. How do you spell Suzie, Sameer?

Michael:

S-U-Z-I-E at gmail. com. That at gmail. com. That's the first time I've got it right in one take. Welcome Suzie at gmail. com. It is the last episode of the pod, I think.

Sameer:

I think so yeah.

Michael:

Last official episode.

Sameer:

We may have a couple specials here and there to tie us out till the end of the year, but yeah, last episode.

Michael:

I've got news for you. Tell me. I thought I was going to wait for the pod to get your real reaction. Okay, go on, I to get your real reaction. Okay, go on, I'm excited, I am. You shouldn't be. Oh, I am sorry to announce to our listeners that this will be our last episode. Ever, I have decided no longer to do the pod.

Sameer:

Right, okay, so that also means, on a more joyous note, I'm looking for a new co-host.

Michael:

Only joking, I do this. You had me going. I know, I know that was almost like when you almost had to get oiled for to be my best man do you remember that?

Sameer:

um, I feel like it would be a bit of a diversion, but well, you're welcome to tell the story.

Michael:

It was one of the most petrifying moments of my life when you told me this so I, so I worked really hard to convince the greek church to let you be my best man, and because you're not greek or greek cypriot, we told you that you need to get baptized. You did, and it's tradition for a child to have some oil on them, but we made out that you were going to be drenched in olive oil, wearing nothing but a little muslin loincloth, and you said it was going to take place in a inflatable pool yeah, that's right.

Michael:

Yeah, with a photographer yeah, exactly exactly.

Sameer:

At which point I said you know we're good friends, we're best friends, but I'm not that much of a best friend that I'm gonna get start naked in a pool full of oil, but anyway, um no, it was nice to see everyone.

Michael:

Uh, podcast has been epic for us. Yeah long journey, it's been quite, quite intense. I don't think anyone realizes how much effort it takes to do a podcast.

Sameer:

I uh, I totally agree. And also the good thing is is now we've actually got other things to talk about our friends with, like nine times out of ten. They'll just be like oh so what's going on with the pod? Like how's it going? I'm like this is cool, this is cool, this. I feel like a celeb I'm interesting now.

Michael:

Yeah, exactly, I have nothing to talk about, you don't?

Sameer:

talk about my work. You don't talk about family, it's just the pod stuff now.

Michael:

Well, that's the thing after you get married. What do people even talk to you about with indians and greeks? One of the first things they want to know is what do you do for a living? Yeah, basically okay. How much do you earn without actually? Asking without, without being so rude yeah, it wouldn't be like oh so what are you on?

Sameer:

they'd be like are you senior management?

Michael:

give me or are you?

Sameer:

how long have you been working for? Oh, that's good, my son is ceo. I feel like it's constant judgment from the minute go like you're starting the conversation and they're already judging is this person worth my time? Should I be talking to them? Let me go to the person who earns a bit more than this person does oh, I believe the term you're referring to social climbers.

Michael:

Social climbers, what is a social climber?

Sameer:

um, so I don't really know. I know you put me on the spot here I would say a social climber is someone who, um who is more interested in the company they keep and in constantly trying to keep better company as time goes on and that's it.

Michael:

That's it for them. I thought social climber is someone who, basically, you meet someone to go further up the ladder, someone else and maybe that's a more derogative way of what you've just said. I guess I think I do the opposite you go down the ladder.

Sameer:

I meet people who are worse than you, to make yourself feel better. Exactly right, I go down.

Michael:

Instead of a social ladder or a social climber. I'm more of a social pole. So you like pole dancing? I like to go down the pole.

Sameer:

Okay, fine, as fast as possible, fine, fine. And whoever you meet at the bottom of the pole High five on the way down.

Michael:

More slippery the better, until you get to rock bottom. Then you think, oh can't quite go up from here. Is that how you were baptized? The priest basically looked me in the face, slapped me and put me down the pole. Next, Next child. Not bad, they charge a lot of money for christenings. Yeah they do. I think when I christened my nephew it was like 180 quid To do what Put him in water and splash him.

Sameer:

Oh, that's how much you got to pay the priest. Yeah, no way.

Michael:

Yeah, you paid my priest, didn't you.

Sameer:

I hope you did. I don't think I did.

Michael:

You did. He's probably still waiting for some money from me, no no, I'll get it to you.

Sameer:

I'll monzo it to you. Priest.

Michael:

No, you definitely paid him. You definitely paid him. I said to you that's one of the roles as the best man.

Sameer:

Yeah, but you also said that one of the things I had to do as the best man was get into a tub full of oil. So what did I know was?

Michael:

true or not? I'm pretty sure you gave the priest something. He's not listening. He's definitely not one of my listeners, so the thing is this week our last episode.

Sameer:

Our last episode, the finale, the finale.

Michael:

I've chosen a topic for us. Go on. The topic is Bad advice.

Sameer:

Bad advice.

Michael:

Yeah, because the whole thing of you know we're going to meet people, we're introducing them to us. It's like you often this judgement about what should you say? What advice would you give someone? Yeah, and the reason I chose advice this week Is because I went to Canada for work and often I was giving my client advice. Right, okay?

Sameer:

Well, that's part of your job, I guess that's what I'm paid to do.

Michael:

That's why I've been flown to Canada to talk to them about their advice.

Sameer:

If only they knew about you properly, they would not be flying you out and they would not be seeking your advice.

Michael:

But often they weren't taking my advice.

Sameer:

Michael quiet.

Michael:

I don't want to hear from you anymore, Do you want to know the only time they took my advice on site.

Sameer:

Was it when you were advising them where to get the best maple syrup? No it wasn't, or was it where to get the best fried chicken? Nope, okay, tell me. The only time they took my advice was when they wanted to know where to get an extra suitcase because they bought too much stuff to take home with them Really, and I knew where to go to walmart.

Michael:

Okay, well, that's all right then. And your clients are asking this yeah, that's brilliant. So, um, so, yeah, advice, I I've been in quite a few situations. Um, I've had the chance to line manage people, but I still do yeah uh, it's not like they've been taken away from me, but over the years and advice is like one of the big things we talk about a lot, yeah, and part of the best man podcast that we're going to move into for next season yes is to take a more holistic approach, rather than just talking random guff and and is guff a word, guff?

Michael:

of course it's a word okay, fine, so often, yeah, we give advice to our team and we're talking about what you know where to go, what to do, how to help other people and I came, and I came across this person called Michael Bungesteiner.

Sameer:

Is that how you say his name, or have you added the accent? How do you actually say his name? I don't know. I've never met him.

Michael:

Should I know this?

Sameer:

No, but I'm not sure it's quite that. But all right, go on.

Michael:

Michael.

Sameer:

Bungesteiner, let's call him MBS from now on. Mbs also happens to be the leader of saudi arabia, so I'm not sure we want to be calling him.

Michael:

That is that, right, yeah, yeah muhammad bin salman mbs.

Sameer:

Out there, mbs, if you're listening.

Michael:

Thank you very much uh, this week the sponsor is mbs, bringing you the best in all good things from saudi or what do you think Saudi's top exports are?

Sameer:

Number one. Number one export is probably Crude oil. Yeah, probably oil, yeah.

Michael:

Number two.

Sameer:

Do you know this? Yeah, oh, okay, fine, you know. Oh. Number two I don't know technology Perfume Is it? Oh oud Oud, oh, Iud Oud, oh man, I hate that, I hate Oud, All you do. When you smell it, it's like ugh it goes right up, it just goes right up. It's the strongest scent ever.

Michael:

Anyway, why do the Arabic people like such strong smelling scents?

Sameer:

Probably.

Michael:

They're not.

Sameer:

I don't understand this. They're not particularly smelly, so why are they one? Oh for God's sake. Yellow card.

Michael:

Why is that yellow card, yellow card? You can't just give me yellow. No, no, no.

Sameer:

By the way, for anyone that is listening, we have instituted a new policy as of this podcast. Moving forward, mbs policy Yellow card card, red card. After the red card, I get a new co-host for this, for this episode.

Michael:

Why did I be waking up, alex? Why did I get yellow?

Sameer:

card. Uh, because you said something that I deemed to be offensive to my brethren didn't realize that.

Michael:

Sorry about that, it's all right. Um, anyway, advice. Yeah, I'll go back to mbs and what he said, but recently there's been a, there's been a gentleman who we mentioned, a celebrity power of celebrity, yes, background. His name's Greg Wallace.

Sameer:

I feel that you have a vendetta against this man.

Michael:

You know what? I am definitely public enemy number one for you.

Sameer:

Well, it's not that.

Michael:

I just don't like him.

Sameer:

You don't like him. No, you don't like him, don I just, I just don't like him, like him. No, you don't like him, don't like him, don't like him at all.

Michael:

Um, I think he had. He had a certain way around him. Yeah, he had some charisma yeah a few years ago and I think he's taken advantage of that and now we're seeing that in light. He's been out, he's been doing his thing for about 20 years. Yeah, celebrity master chef, amateur master chef, yeah, master chef, the professionals, all these chefs inside the factory.

Sameer:

Outside the factory oh yeah, true, he has ventured out of, uh, master chef a bit uh, we mentioned what was it?

Michael:

power of the celebrity episode. I think that was episode eight, episode eight. We said it could be him.

Sameer:

Yeah, you did you actually. I'll give this one to you you specifically said we were talking about. Who do we get a bad vibe from? Yeah, and you said firstly Jason Statham.

Michael:

Okay, so I just want to put it out there.

Sameer:

Jason, we're watching you.

Michael:

We're watching you. Our one, two, three on the hit list yes, jason Statham.

Sameer:

Yes.

Michael:

Greg Wallace. Greg Wallace and Jason Statham yes, greg Wallace. Greg Wallace and yours, david Attenborough.

Sameer:

Now I'll be honest with you. Those are some big names in the world of natural history, movies and food. We've got all of the industries covered.

Michael:

I'm telling you, I think we've hit one, I think we're going to hit two in the next two or three years. You watch, oh bold prediction.

Sameer:

Mark this recording mark this to our 10 listeners please make sure you listen to this episode.

Michael:

It's very important when, in two or three years time, when we were, when we use this soundbite for whatever season three or four, yeah, and we go back to season one, one of those one or two of those three will be in that hit list you watch yeah, it's coming.

Sameer:

We're coming for you. We're the modern day. Nostradamus is what we are.

Michael:

David, we're coming for you, jason, david, david Attenborough, oh, david.

Sameer:

Please. His name is Sir David. At least call him Sir.

Michael:

Founder of BBC Two, we're coming for you.

Sameer:

And Jason Statham. Keep an eye out. My friend, I know that you work out, but you can't take both of us Anyway so Greg Wallace yes, the big GW.

Michael:

We outed him in episode eight. We outed him. We outed Gregus Gregus Wallace, gregus Wallace, what is that His Latin name? Gregus Wallace. We outed him and now it's come out.

Sameer:

Yeah.

Michael:

Yeah, what do you?

Sameer:

think I'll be honest with you. I think you were bang on the money. I don't say it very often, do I?

Michael:

have my yellow card rescinded because of that. No, no, no.

Sameer:

That can't happen?

Michael:

Why did he go into the news recently? What was allegations?

Sameer:

So the allegations, as I understand them, are 13 women. I think there were maybe even some men, but I think predominantly 13 women came out and said that he had said inappropriate comments, lewd comments, sexually suggestive comments, and they felt very uncomfortable around him. It should be said he didn't commit any crimes, but he has. Basically, in my opinion and I think in a lot of people's opinion, he's just come across as not a very nice guy and an intimidating guy towards women on the show.

Michael:

Is that right? I think that's right and I think, as the years have gone on, he's become more powerful, in the sense of Like Sauron.

Sameer:

Like MBS, he's become more powerful in the sense of like sauron, like mbs he's become more.

Michael:

Please, do you want a red card? Do you want a red card like? Um diddy there you go, he's become more powerful. As as the years go on, he was more and more popular yeah and I think he felt unstoppable and that he was liked by so many that he could say and do what everyone wants, and because he used to be greengrocer, oh yeah, a bit of bang, it's all right, isn't it all right?

Michael:

yeah, oh I like that bottom base, all that stuff, whatever. He used to say buttery bottom, buttery base, buttery what soggy bottom. He also went to an asian woman who made him some kind of pad thai dish in musk chef. Oh me so horny did he say that yeah, so here's. Here's the problem episode 10 all about bad advice. Yeah, he's done this stuff, clearly right. There's no denying it.

Michael:

It's too many people have said he's done this stuff and then all of a sudden he now has gone on a rampage yeah, yeah, this is he has not taken advice from anybody. And then, no, true the thing that's tipped him over the edge. He has gone on this rampage on social media posting all these comments from randoms you've never even heard, you've never seen their face, you don't know where they exist, and they just say oh, greg, they're bots. I, I worked, they could be bots.

Sameer:

Yeah, could be what's yeah, they were mbs watching you. What did you say? Mbs watching you?

Michael:

and they, and they say, oh, greg's never done anything wrong, but he was really great, really great. But I think he took that as a more further power of empowerment and then he goes on to go. A select group of middle class females yeah, yeah, he's making it a class issue now, more than anything, aka if you're working class and you're Select group of middle class females, yeah, yeah, he's making it a class issue now more than anything.

Michael:

Okay, if you're working class and you're shit scared to lose your job because you don't want to lose your house. You won't say anything.

Sameer:

Yeah, but if you're middle class, you've got a little bit of the balls to say something yeah, yeah, yeah. Or you don't understand me. I'm working class, so you're prejudiced against me and I don't think I mean. Let's call it what it is it's bollocks, it's bollocks.

Michael:

He should have just said I done wrong. I'm sorry, I'm working on it. I'll try not to do it.

Sameer:

But then what did he do? He came out. Was it today or maybe yesterday?

Michael:

live this. This came. This came out about three hours ago. Okay, what do?

Sameer:

you know, what I'm aware of is he came out and he basically apologized for that initial instagram story and he was like guys, look, uh, basically I'm aware of is. He came out and he basically apologized for that initial instagram story and he was like guys, look, uh, basically I'm under a lot of stress. Um, you know, I've had a lot of unfair accusations against me and, um, it's probably best for me to take a bit of a break from social media and I'm under siege at the moment.

Sameer:

I think was his words which is I mean, no, he's'm under siege at the moment. I think was his words which is.

Michael:

I mean no, he's not under siege. It's pathetic. I'll tell you we know what's currently going on in the world, with people being under siege. Greg Wallace, you are not under siege.

Sameer:

No, you're not under siege.

Michael:

You're a twat Straight up Right. Okay, and we can keep that in and we can post him Hashtag Greg Wallace.

Sameer:

Yeah, and we can keep that in and we can post him Hashtag Greg Wallace. Yeah, master twat. Can I just say, do you think he was taking advice or do you think he went off the cuff when he initially put out that whole middle class women thing?

Michael:

I think he was taking advice. I just think he took it too far. I think his PR people probably told him the middle class women thing no, I don't think he has pr.

Sameer:

First of all, I think he does. I think he's worth millions of pounds. He's definitely got like some crisis managers.

Michael:

No, no no, no, no, no, not at all, not at all he I mean the reason. I know this because I actively haven't have an issue with him on social media. He's always on social media posting whatever the hell he wants, right, okay sorry, I haven't that's everyone. Everyone posts whatever they want on social media. Everyone is not in the public eye, being paid by the bbc. He decides what to do when he does because he wants to push his own little exercise club that he's got. I did here show me fit.

Sameer:

I did here on a podcast and we have to move on beyond. Just this is not the greg wallace episode.

Michael:

This is bad advice no, but to your point. He has now taken advice from I believe it will probably be from the bbc's.

Sameer:

No, I think the bbc turned around to him and probably said listen, mate, shut it down yeah, shut it down. They've probably said to him look what you've done is pretty bad we can probably we can probably spin it and we can like keep you on masterf because you're brilliant, you're the best bald guy we've ever had, right? But if you now go off. Yeah, you've got to stop, you've got to. Let me finish this. Is this what I?

Michael:

did to you. It's so annoying. It's bad, isn't it?

Sameer:

It's really annoying. I'm so annoying. So the BBC probably said if you go after the people that you have allegedly done this to with, this is beyond the pale. We will have to release you. So you better go out there, you better apologize and get your ass off instagram. That's what I reckon has happened I believe, I believe you're correct.

Michael:

However, they've also said we're midway through season 22 of masterchef and you're currently on we will have a gap. We do yeah, what can you do? I said to Alex, my wife, they should put a disclaimer saying please know, they should pixelate his face so if they keep him on just replace his face with an egg with an egg, or a rock with another with a rock they should do that.

Sameer:

Another bald guy. I'm happy to be the face of MasterChef season 2022.

Michael:

I'm bald, I'm bald, I'm not offensive well, well, that's true yeah, you already got a yellow card. Yeah, that's, that's true so look here's the thing he has suddenly taken advice yes, yeah, yeah yeah right, mbs michael. Michael steiner. Let's not say his middle name because I don't have to say it clearly yeah, yeah he has a great book and he's really written some cool stuff about advice, all right, and he talks about something called the advice monster. Have you ever heard of?

Sameer:

this, not until you recently told me about it.

Michael:

I've never, never heard of this guy, not until I did this two days before, the two days before you said, this is what we're going to talk about.

Sameer:

Here's a link to a 20 000 word article. Why don't you read it in your spare time, like I'm back at uni, take notes the thing?

Michael:

is. He talks about the advice monster and they said people, very, very smart people they're going to ask you for at some moment in their life in conversation as we all do for advice, right? Well, they're going to get like ask for your thoughts on stuff. People will ask you for your thoughts, yeah, and your advice cases. In your case exactly yeah, and at that moment your advice monster will go mad and be super excited.

Michael:

Yeah, the problem, that the problem with giving advice is it's threefold. This is what he says. One, when you are giving advice, you are solving the wrong problem, and two, the advice you're giving is not nearly as good as you think it is.

Sameer:

Yeah, as far as I understand, the advice that you're giving is related potentially to what? You would want to hear but not what the person that you're giving to wants to hear.

Michael:

And, as a result, your advice cuts a little deeper than it probably should yeah. And so I actually you won't believe me on this Go on. Quite often I will say to someone, someone, I'm not giving you any advice when they ask me for help.

Sameer:

I think is that after after you read this guy, or before after I read this, okay fun.

Michael:

Throughout through all my line management chats I've always said I'm not gonna give you any advice or give you a reflection? Oh, but the trick is to ask people questions. Yeah, because the questions will help.

Sameer:

The mix talk and the way to get your advice must be quiet yeah it's just a curious and what you really want to do is you want to get the person that's asking for your advice to think through the solutions themselves exactly because they should.

Michael:

I've always believed that you, the person you're talking, always knows the best answer for themselves.

Sameer:

And they probably already know the answer. They just want to run it by you so that they've got somebody to soundboard off Now that sounds good.

Michael:

What do you think the worst advice you've ever received has been.

Sameer:

So I think the worst advice I've ever had is probably I mean, there's lots from dad. I will say say. But probably the worst one is when he said look, son, you got a new car. I think you need a great sound system. Leave it with me. My dad had basically an electronic shop on white chapel road and he was like I'm gonna fit you out with the best sound system you've ever had.

Sameer:

I remember this. So I remember meeting him in town one day. Like my car was all spicking, spandex was like you're gonna have a look at this, you're gonna love this. I went to the boot and no word of a lie.

Michael:

I think, um, it was like an usher concert and I tell you what I saw in that boot nothing no, no, there's no space, there was no place there's no space at all. I never, I'll never, forget taking a bag and saying I'll put the boot no, no, no, no, no put in the back seat. Why?

Sameer:

I've got no boot now. Um, but okay to you now. What is the worst advice you've ever got?

Michael:

well, it wasn't appropriate to say, was it? Say the appropriate one and not the inappropriate one oh, yeah, yeah, my the best, the worst advice I got was from my dad, who, uh, gave me bad advice gave me a palm pilot to take to school, thinking it would be good to use in my studies, did he think?

Sameer:

you were being, you'd been promoted to teacher. I think he thought I was like uh going to wolf like use in my studies.

Michael:

Did he think you'd been promoted to teacher? I think he thought I was like going to in my break time doing Wall Street. I think he was like son, I want you to check my stocks. Michael really likes a NASDAQ. There was that and also the address book.

Sameer:

That's another thing? Okay, fine, bad advice.

Michael:

Have an address book, because you'll always have your friend's names and numbers in it.

Sameer:

I don't have any friends. What do you mean? A physical address book? Yeah, he gave you a physical address book like you're sort of like in Victorian England. Yeah, that is mad.

Michael:

I also think he was throwing away.

Sameer:

I think he wanted to look at it away and I was like, yeah, this is really good you can find this useful.

Michael:

Oh, what's this a?

Sameer:

little bit shrapnel. You know you never go wrong with a bit shrapnel, michael. Okay, now pivoting, tell me good advice that you've got. What is some best advice?

Michael:

best advice I've got, that I tell that. I tell myself always check your tire pressure regularly. This is amazing.

Sameer:

I you know what we're. I'm going to reflect for a minute. Here we're on episode 10. We're coming to the end of the first season. I've known you for 20 years. Every time I ask you a question in the last two months, I've expected some sort of an answer, maybe some, some depth, some depth to what you're going to say, and your response is so practical that it throws me. Always check your tyre pressure.

Michael:

Yeah, wow, yeah. You'll always be surprised. You'll always be surprised. Check your tyre pressure on your own. That's my advice.

Sameer:

The only thing I do on my own is check my tyre pressure just before I go to bed. Don't buy, that's so weird. That's so weird, shall, I tell you one, one of mine, yeah. I mean not really, but go on, never worry alone. Oh my God, what is this? No, this is good advice. This is not her. Never worry alone, never worry alone. Always share your thoughts with a friend, with family, with whoever Someone that will give you good advice or just be present.

Michael:

Never worry alone. You know, the worst thing I hear at work is Go on.

Sameer:

Can I have a ketchup? Now is it lunchtime and they're saying pass me the ketchup.

Michael:

Can I have a quick ketchup has never led to something good. To a quick ketchup. It's never been quick and it's never been fun. Okay, that's, that's what she said.

Sameer:

Can I have a quick ketchup, greg?

Michael:

Wallace, can I have a quick catch-up? Yeah, yeah, you've got to be aware of Greg if he's saying that I've learned now if you ever put a quick catch-up in someone's diary, you have to say what it's about. You can't say a quick catch-up. It ultimately means you're either getting sacked or you've done something wrong. Look, here's my thing. There is one other piece of advice I really really like. Okay, don't tell anyone else, because it kind of differentiates me from everyone else.

Sameer:

Okay, go on when you set up a pod. No, I've got so many tips for anyone who wants to set up a podcast. Make sure you choose a good co-host, not I. Season two.

Michael:

Keep your eyes peeled, let's pivot. We might cut this out. Peeled who? Uh, let's pivot. It might cut this out. Let's pivot. Um question, Sameer who would you replace me with if?

Sameer:

you know like how? Oh, I have a whole list. Do you want me to open my phone?

Michael:

you know like, imagine, you know like how films, all of a sudden, greg wallace, he's gonna have a bit of spare time now.

Sameer:

Greggy greggy, come join me on my tin pot podcast.

Michael:

My friend who um imagine like we had a producer and they're like look, michael's not testing great yeah, it's a little bit um offensive yeah, michael's going bowling on his own tonight.

Sameer:

We need it. We need a new. We need a new host, celeb or friends no, no, not friends okay, that's a bit harsh not too close to home. That's a bit harsh. Oh, who would be a famous person that I'd love to chat with? I'll be honest with you Romesh Ranganathan oh, bloody, romesh he'd be up there for me, bloody.

Michael:

Romesh, he'd be up there for me.

Sameer:

I mean, I think we'd like sort of you wouldn't be looking him in the face well, for obvious reasons.

Michael:

For me, the obvious answer would be my pharaoh. And there you go, people of the pod. That is how we round up the end of the season, bringing it back to the very first episode. Thank you, very much. I have been Michael Spitelliotis.

Sameer:

So, seeing as we're coming, to the end of season one, ten episodes. We've met week after week. What are your reflections, what's your takeaway from us doing this for the last two months?

Michael:

I would say on reflection, my reflection.

Sameer:

Look, here's a bit of advice. Here's some good advice. When answering a question on reflection, don't say reflection twice, and that's a rhyme. Thank you very much, everyone. I am out of here.

Michael:

No, I mean, I think there's no reflection. I've enjoyed doing the pod. It's been a good experience. It's been a lot of learning definitely I think we've. I don't know how much I've learned about you truth be told. Well, there's not much to learn after 20 years yeah, I mean I've learned about you going to school and like not ever having a summer holiday. That was a surprise. I thought you were doing quite well for yourself as a family, but obviously it was hard times in the household do you know what I think.

Michael:

To bring it to a very sentimental note, yeah, as I crouch somewhat and peer into your eyes, yeah, I would say my reflection of the past 10 episodes of a pod have been. I don't think I've heard you laugh so much in a long time that's. That is sentimental and I would say that hearing, hearing the joy come from you, mainly through insults, has been probably the best thing I could reflect upon for the. Best Men podcast.

Sameer:

That's a good one. That's a good one, I would say. My reflection is every good thing that we've ever done together has been one of your crazy ideas. Always Every single time I look back on our life as friends. It's always been the craziest thing that you've said oh, let's go on a game show, oh, let's go traveling here. And this time around you went I want to do something creative.

Sameer:

We're sitting in your drive at 2 o'clock in the morning and we were spitballing ideas and you went what about a podcast? And every single time you've come up with a crazy idea and I've said, nah, that's silly, that's stupid. It's always led to something great. And even if we ended it here, this would this would have been a great experience and are we gonna end it here from here? Come on, mate. I think we've done season one.

Michael:

We we owe it to our 10 fans to do season two well, the last piece of advice I was reflecting on is that bruce forsyth oh, brucey, brucey, you know he always said the audience loves sincerity and I think we have been as sincere as possible on this pod. I think we've been quite honest and truthful, and the other piece of advice that I was told was, when you meet someone, always leave them wanting more yeah and with that we're going to end season one there, episode 10, only to say there will be more to come, Sameer, anything else to?

Sameer:

add. No, I think you've summed it up well. We look forward to seeing you in the new year. Keep your eyes peeled for a couple of specials in the meantime and, as always, take care of yourselves, don't forget.

Michael:

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